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into the eleventh hour. it's that president obama has retreated on his hard line on taxes. obama may think his conciliatory approach has helped avoid economic chaos. instead, he is courting it." i want to go right to jimmy williams because you have been a senate staffer. you understand how this thing works. why would the white house even bother to increase from 250,000 to 400,000. they don't really have to. they're winning this fives fight. >> the only people that actually care whether or not the threshold is 250,000 to 400,000 are these people that are going to vote on it. nobody else really cares. all they really care is that you get a deal. these people are sitting at ground zero. these snores, these liberals. i'm a liberal. i don't care what the thereby hold is. i don't give a damn if it's a million. i just want them to get a deal or go over the cliff, but somebody just make up your mind up on capitol hill. that's what the american people would like to hear. here's the bottom line. even if they do get a deal at 450,000 or 500,000 or whatever that number is, barack obama will sign into law
? $1 trillion of obama care taxes begin in january. that's not even part of the fiscal cliff. that's in addition to the fiscal cliff. we're looking at an avalanche of regulations that were drawn up in the first four years of the obama administration, but then conveniently only beginning to be made public after the president's job was secure. his job is secure. now yours may not be, because hundreds of billions of dollars in regulatory costs are hitting the economy. look at what epa and others are doing. >> right. but grover, speaking of magicianship, you appear to be doing that right now. it looks like rates will increase. that technically is not a good thing for you and your pledge. >> it's a very bad thing for the economy, because what they're talking about is some -- allowing the rates to go back up, not just back up. remember, we go back -- the bush tax cuts disappear and you add the obama care tax increases. so they're taking the top rate not to 39.6, but to 43.4 for half of all small business income in the country. and people at high income earners of the united states. add t
austerity way too quickly. president obama is not asking for that much in taxes. it's worth getting a bit of perspective in here. you'll be shocked to know, we got a graph for that. here's what happens if we go over the cliff. you get more than $5 trillion in tax increases off the bat. and now here's what happens if we pass the sainted simpson bowles plan. you've heard of the plan. they have 2.6 trillion in tax increases. president obama's latest offer to john boehner has 1.2 trillion in taxes. that is half as much, less than half than simpson bowles, and less than a quarter of what is in -- simply going over the fiscal cliff. i think the tax increases are too little. they are what they are. and it's something to remember as we reach the edge and you hear a lot of complaints about the tax side of obama's offer. what he's asking for in terms of tax increases is not that radical, it's way less than if we don't reach a deal. contrary to what you may have heard, republicans want to raise taxes too. shocker, right? >> the superficial take on this, the argument between democrats and republicans
. and the third part is $1 trillion in obama's taxes. that's the obama care taxes they hid from you because they're all scheduled to come in after he got safely elected. >> let's go back to the bush-era tax cuts. for you, given your position, that's really what we want to focus on here. you make the point that democrats could have voted before when they had super majorities or big majoritiemajo and that's a fair point. but in part thanks to you, voting for tax increases is a political death for republicans and democrats. that brings me to my next question. i've talked to republicans and democrats who think we are going to go off the cliff, and here's the reason why. if we go off the cliff, everybody's taxes go up automatically. then congress can come back in january and vote for a tax cut as opposed to tax increases. what do you think about that? >> one of the challenges, of course, is people see this happening. they realize the president has not been negotiating at all over the past three months. we learned days and weeks and months afterwards that they had non-meetings where this is going on.
of the plan. they have 2.6 trillion in tax increases. president obama's latest offer to john boehner has 1.2 trillion in taxes. that is half as much, less than half than simpson bowles, and less than a quarter of what is in -- simply going over the fiscal cliff. i think the tax increases are too little. they are what they are. and it's something to remember as we reach the edge and you hear a lot of complaints about the tax side of obama's offer. what he's asking for in terms of tax increases is not that radical, it's way less than if we don't reach a deal. contrary to what you may have heard, republicans want to raise taxes too. shocker, right? >> the superficial take on this, the argument between democrats and republicans is between democrats who love taxes, just want to tax everything. and republicans who totally grover norquist taxes, they hate them, that is not true. to a degree that kind of disturbs me, actually, the two parties mostly agree on keeping the bush tax cuts. up to $250,000 in income, which is a lot of income. republicans and democrats want to keep all the bush tax cuts.
obama's proposal for a tax credit for companies bringing manufacturing back or invest back in the united states and in communities and create jobs and propose a 20% tax credit for those companies. people say why don't you just cut the corporate tax rate across the board, and my argument to that, i guess, the gentleman left, is that i don't think right now with the deficit that either my law firm or investment banks in wall street need the corporate tax cuts. target the corporate tax cuts to areas that are engines of economic growth, and so i'm sympathetic to tax incentives if they can be tied to accountability for companies to actually invest in other communities and create jobs. next question? >> talking about tax incentives, on the other side, won't it be okay to peoplize too many -- or, i guess that's not quite the right word, but to have, you know, to tax the import for that discourages imports and encourages the locals manufacturing? >> well, that's a big debate about how much protectionism we should have as a country. i mean, my view is that if the competition is there, i think ame
i know. so now they squabble the tax hikes but now is time for president obama to be talking about raises in washington. who is going to get a bump in pay. new reports that secretary of state hillary clinton is returning after three weeks from recovering from a virus. now she is set to testify on the terror attack in libya that left four americans dead. the question that she will face when she goes to the hill. we'll talk about it. [ malennouncer ] it's tt time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you realldon't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it findone, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all youeed is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis sympto. but if you have
the great depression. so president obama agreed to extend the tax cuts for two more years in exchange for congress extending federal emergency unemployment benefits. those cuts are expensive. if they are extended by 2020, the bush era tax cuts will be responsible for more than half the total national debt. democrats insist that taxes go up for the wealthy but stay in place permanently for those earning less than $250,000 a year. >> we need to stop the job killing tax hikes and we need to start cutting spending now. >> republicans refuse to play ball. they say no higher rates on the rich, no tax hikes on anyone. based on an ideology that calls on government to be as small as possible. its roots are as old as american politics, but the philosophies main spokesman is this man, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. his pledge signed by almost all republicans in congress forbid signatories from raising taxes ever under any circumstances. things come to ahead in the summer of 2011. they demand they reduce deficit as a condition for raising the debt ceiling. without a deal
obama campaigned campn capping it at $250,000, raising taxes on those who earn more than $250k, but some of the discussion and it is buzz around capitol hill has been about perhaps going to the $400,000 mark. the question is, will you get enough republicans to buy in if that is the deal? shannon? >> thanks to mike on capitol hill. we will continue to check in. now to ed henry, continuing our live team coverage from the white house. good afternoon, ed. >> reporter: good to see you, this is the president going out and trying to frame this debate on his own terms, appearing on a sunday talk show for the first time since 2009, when he was pushing health care reform, now, obviously trying to sell a fiscal cliff deerl deal. he went on nbc's "meet the press," again and again, he hammered the message, trying to put the blame on republicans for the fact we are up against this tight deadline. the president made clear that if republicans in the next 48 hours do not come up with a counter proposal to get us through this crisis, he wants an up-or-down vote on his short-term plan to extend unemploymen
november 16. sign for republicans that mr. obama has not really been pushing that hard for a deal. >> we need presidential leadership on in the just taxing rich people. >> three words the president did not use. he did not use the word sequester and he didn't say "debt ceiling" either. he focused most of his remarx on preventing taxes from going up. there are also massive spending cuts coming. no idea how they will avert that. he also did not mention the debt ceiling. earlier they wanted lifting the debt ceiling included. now it's clear it's not in the short-term package that guarantees if they get a short-term deal here, we have major budget battles coming. >> the key to any good negotiation each side has to give up something. near and dear to their heart. what is it, as succinctly as you imagine, both sides have given up? >> both sides say the president started on threshold of tax cut of $250,000. negotiations with boehner he moved to $400,000. not if you have for boehner. he wanted it to be $1 million or more. that is something that can beer worked on. spending cuts the republicans wan
to force president obama and the senate democrats to agree on fundamental tax reform. what do you think about that? >> we will get fundamental tax reform i believe as a part of the debt ceiling debate. going over the cliff means that our economy goes in the tank. we've got a very small recovery going on here. it would destroy the recovery, and jon's son is a first lieutenant, going over the cliff means that we start to dismantle the best and finest military in the history of the world at the time we need it the most. so that is unacceptable, that means i've got to vote for something i don't like, raising rates is something i don't like. i think it's a bad idea. but it's going to happen because barack obama insists that it happen. but let me tell you this. he had the courage of his convictions to raise tax rates, i'm going to have the courage of my convictions not to raise the debt ceiling until we reform our nation and stop becoming greece and finally stop getting out of debt. i hope republicans will fight as hard on the debt ceiling as barack obama did on tax rate. uma: you call everyt
obama promised in his campaign to lower the corporate tax rate, which i believe would bring some corporations back to set up their factories of in america and said of china, india, brazil. it just seems like congress and our leaders in general are trying to bring america down equal to the other nations of the world. i believe it is all headed for a one world government. they have to knock america down before they can get us equal with the other countries in the world. we are building the other countries up. it's a cinch to me like our leaders reject i agree with the last caller, there should be term limits. after they are in there so long, their interest is not in helping america. it seems to me like they are positioning for money in their own pockets or they become lobbyists. this secreted a law that they should not be able to become lobbyists for a few years sucker they leave congress or senate. they need to just bring america back up. if it would bring more jobs back to america, then we would have more taxes to be collected. host: more in the financial times this morning. capi
at midnight. economists have been warning us the combination of tax hikes and spending cuts could cause another recession. now, president obama and the senate republican leaders say they are close to a deal to prevent tax hikes on the middle class. the trouble is, the house has gone home and won't be voting on anything tonight. >> for now, our most immediate priority is to stop taxes going up for middle class families starting tomorrow. i think that is a modest goal that we can accomplish. >> we all want to protect taxpayers, and we can get it done now. right now. >> trace: officials tell fox news agreement would let tax cuts expire on $450,000 instead of the president's cut off $250,000. extend unemployment benefits for another year it does not include any new spending cuts. of course, that's the other big issue in this fiscal cliff standoff. we have team fox coverage. mike emanuel is live on capitol hill. but first to ed henry at the white house. ed, it looks as if we are taking the plunge. >> it does, trace. but what i think the white house is hoping here tonight is that lawmakers ar
. on meet the press, president obama called on lawmakers to reach an agreement. if no deal is made, it would be the large of the tax hike since world war ii. >>> secretary of state hillary clinton remains in a new york city hospital this morning after doctors discovered a blood clot stemming from a concussion she had earlier this month. now, a spokesperson for clinton says she is being treated with medication and will most likely stay in the hospital for the next 48 hours. the clot was discovered yesterday during a follow-up appointment. >>> same-sex couples in maryland will be able to marry tomorrow on new year's day. state lawyers said because january 1st is a holiday and because there is a two-day wait period for licenses to take effect, they could not marry until january 4th. the state's attorney general now says all of the licenses will take effect tomorrow. >>> 2012 was another tough year for the economy. >> so it is no surprise that lottery sales were up. fox's claudia cowan has a look for us. >> are you going to walk away with it? let's find out u. >> reporter: even when times are to
? >> two years ago obama and the democratic house and the democratic senate extended all the bush tax cuts for two years. >> and at that time the president said it would not happen again. >> but the president also did it because he said it would hurt the economy not to. now that he's safely in his job, that doesn't seem to be keeping him up at night that other people may lose jobs. >> are you afraid, mr. secretary, that if the u.s. were to really go over the u.s. fiscal cliff that the economy would go back into recession, unemployment would go from 7% to over 9%. that thousands of people would lose their jobs? >> no, wolf. i don't think there would be a permanent situation where we went over the fiscal cliff and nothing was done. my point is that if we went over the fiscal cliff and tax rates went up and spending cuts were substantial, that republicans would be under a huge pressure, even greater pressure than they are now to agree to a democratic initiative to cut middle class taxes and also restore the spending cuts that really do need to be restored. especially for the middle class and
will be hit the hardest because one of the things that mr. obama doesn't give republicans enough credit, is that the bush tax cuts were most generous for low-income people and less so for middle-income people. and on top of that, mr. obama has put in place what was supposed to be temporary benefits that have turned out to be permanent, which will also expire. he has credibilitied to further dependency on the government in that way. >> how that will affect our take-home pay? >> it will be down rather substantially for middle-income people, several thousand a year. you will see a drop by $200 to $300 a month. it will have a pronounced effect on the economy by february. >> you said, by february. there are some strategist who is have said that the fiscal cliff won't hit the economy right away. tell actually give lawmakers more time to continue negotiating. but how long can our economy take the uncertainty? >> it is not just uncertainty. we have had that factored in. the reality is that unless the president suspends the increase in payroll taxes that are going to take place, not just social
obama to discuss ways to avoid the hundreds of billions of dollars worth of tax increases and spending cuts that hit in just four days. the meeting broke up about 45 minutes ago. cnn radio capitol hill correspondent lisa awaited the leaders' arrival. lisa, let's talk about what we can look for out of this meeting. is there any chance at all to get a deal before the clock strikes midnight on the 31st. >>. >> reporter: right. i think the key player is mitch mcconnell to watch. we're getting potentially more information about what is happening next. our capitol hill producer deidre walsh was there when some of the leaders returned and she spoke with nancy pelosi who said this meeting was constructive and candid. here's what is especially interesting. nancy pelosi told reporters that the president led a meeting that ended with senators reid and mcconnell trying to work something out between the two of them. now it seems like we've gone from a process that was president obama and speaker boehner and then today to five leaders back to two. and those two, for the moment, seem to be senator re
. polls consistently show strong public support for raising taxes on the mg airs and billionaires obama kept talking about and most americans are more inclined to blame congressional regimes. so do democrats have the advantage right now? >> he does. we've had this national conversation after the past 14 months. to the president's credit he has been very clear and transparent about raising taxes on individuals making a certain income level. the question then becomes, where do the republicans fit into this? i'll remind you and the audience the republicans got re-elected to the majority. they are listening to their constituency as well. the real question is where can we meet in the middle where democrats have a little pain and democrats have a little pain and in the process you have a great compromise and true bipartisanship? >> and we were just talking about this, admiral, with congresswoman lee. i mean, there is this idea that we have just enough that maybe will get done today or tomorrow or in the next week or so, but essentially this is kicking the can down the road. there are still th
's your ask of obama. he's told you what taxes he wants to raise. >> i've got a whole list of them. i mean, certainly starting with chain cpi, but the age, the copay, means testing. >> he's agreed to that. >> betting on competitive situation in between medicare manage and deeper service without any cap i mean it adds up to about a trillion dollars. and when you have a situation where americans are paying one-third of the cost of medicare, i don't think people realize that, but literally people are paying one-third of the cost of medicare, we have 20 million more americans coming on medicare over the next decade, i mean it's a time bomb. >> i agree with you it's a time bomb. but remember that the -- the standing document for republican boldness is the ryan budget. you get credit for that. he did not have ten-year savings on medicare and social security. >> and i do. i think we obviously need to be much bolder than the budget you're talking about. because otherwise as you mentioned, if you're going to protect everybody that's 55 and older, there are no savings over the next ten years. >> tha
unbiased taxation by using a flat tax. that way you can calculate the amount of taxes we need for the deficit over 10 years. another point is to control the spending on entitlements by not giving millionaires social security benefits, thereby satisfying president obama's approach. instead of doing it through taxation, he can do it through the entitlements. guest: those are both ideas that have been raised, especially the social security and medicare benefits for the wealthy and potentially might not need them to live off of. one tricky part of that is wealthier americans have been paying these taxes for decades into social security and medicare if and a lot of folks have a problem with the idea of taking away their benefits they have paid for if just because they happen to be more well off. and issued the first caller raised and something to watch is this could really sort of set the tone for the president's second term. if this thing gets ugly and stays ugly, it's probably going to stay that way at least another year or two expand the next thing you know, he's a lame duck pre
not work out either. i think they are going to go over the cliff. the main objective obama had was not a fiscal one, it was political, to follow the victory in november by creating a civil war among republicans over the tax issue, which is exactly what happened. he said the 1 requirement i have for any deal is hiking tax rates. the reason that boehner was not able to do plan b was because it involved breaching the principle, which he did openly and said he was ready to do it. there were conservatives who would not do it. that is not a figure of the party that will be extremely hard to reconcile. if you can not, how you get a deal done before january 1? >> that is essentially the problem the president faced with boehner two years ago. last year. can he deliver? how can you negotiate with someone who cannot deliver on his side? >> you go to people for support, at least three of whom have lost their committee assignments. how can you expect them to come over to your way of thinking? >> they were crowing when john boehner went down, taking some delight, but that was pre- cleared by
. president obama as reported is in his native hawaii. before leaving washington, president obama urged congress to pass a mini plan that would preserve middle class tax rates. brianna keilar joins us live from hawaii. what do we think will happen as the holiday week rolls out? >> reporter: well, and don, we should probably say where our senate majority leader harry reid and senator mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate, because now all eyes turn to the senate. they're set to come back to town on the 27th. that is thursday. and at this point there are a number of options for some sort of bill that senate majority leader harry reid could put on the floor, but right now it appears democrats in the white house are pushing for something that still concentrates on making sure that income tax rates for those making a quarter million dollars or less don't go up. that said, it's really hard to see how at that rate senator mcconnell might allow some republican senators to support it or that some republican senators would even want to jump on board with that and even harder to see how a
't consummate with the american people. president obama just ran on a program of resisting some of the fundamental ways in which the republicans wanted to change medicare and raise taxes on people over $250,000. he won the election and people from the very red districts elected in the house simply have not adapted to that reality. >> let me go to jonathan chait and the primal scream and the election president obama won, but you wouldn't know this in washington. doesn't it feel sometimes like one side experienced maybe a different election? >> they did. for the house republicans, they don't have to worry about public opinion. the house republicans got fewer votes than house democrats, but the house republicans won anyway because the districts are drawn in such a way the vast majority of republicans are insulated from public opinion. this conversation we're having of what do the republicans have to do to win back middle america, that's not relevant to them. the only thing they have to worry about is a tea party challenger. that's the only way these guys are going to lose. that's p
for the tax code in a continuing series on what president obama and congress should tackle in the next four years today. the "new york times" lead editorial is why the economy needs tax reform. that editorial today in the "new york times" if you want to check it out. we'll go now to linda from indiana this morning on the independent line. caller: good morning. afe couple points to make. i can't understand why a handful of bureaucrats are able to control all the american citizens. i think there ought to be term limits. and if they don't do their job, instead of electing people why don't we throw them all out and appoint somebody and when they don't do their job they're the ones who get the pink slip. i just don't understand the way this economy is going. the e.p.a. is regulating and pushing through cutting down on energy, the poor coal miners, because they want that clean energy. we've got a plant right here not just a few miles from me. they burn clean coal. if i was in there, they would probably have me assassinated in a week because i would have a line item veto every bit of pork barrel s
. will there be a deal or will the $500 billion in spending cuts and tax hikes actually kick in? right now, negotiations going on behind closed doors. this while president obama has joined leaders in it both parties to make the case to the american people by appearing on the morning public affairs programs this morning. both sides pitching their proposals. but at this late point, some say any chance that congress has of averting the fiscal cliff will take serious late night legislative wrangling. good morning. i'm eric shawn. i'm heather childers in for jamie colby. without a deal the countdown to 2013 also a countdown to smaller pay checks for nearly all americans as the fiscal cliff tax hikes are set to take a bigger bite and the military facing serious cutbacks along with other federal programs that millions of americans count on. >> ed henry live at the white house with the latest on the negotiations. ed, we are really getting down to the wire. what did the president say this morning and will that make a difference? >> good morning, eric. part of what he was doing was putting the onus on republicans
, there was movement on the income level they're willing to protect from tax hikes and other levels. mr. obama, on an interview on "meet the press" was cautiously opt missic. >> i'm confident that one of two things will happen when it comes to the fiscal cliff. one, we'll see an agreement within the next 48 hours in which case middle class taxes will not go up. if that doesn't happen, then democrats in the senate will put a bill on the floor of the senate and republican also have to decide if they're going to block it. >> biden and mcconnell are said to be only about $100,000 apart on where the bush era tax cuts would expire with the republican pushing for $550,000 a year. democrats offering a 450,000. biden stowed have given up his push to raise the estate tax. democrats are trying to delay spending cuts until 2015 and republicans are demanding more spending cuts to offset extended unemployment benefits and farm subsidies. lot of ground to make up. but mcconnell says his decision to reach out to biden was a good one. >> the vice president and i worked together on solutions before and i believ
president obama as part of the debt ceiling negotiation. those begin on tuesday. we have the payroll tax cut in place for two years, takes about two percentage points off people's taxes, bill will end on monday. business tax breaks, bill will end on monday. the alternative minimum tax, which is confusing, but it would be a disaster if that was not taken care of, because it would raise the taxes of about 30 million americans for their 2012 income and 2013. and all the confusion could screw up the whole tax filing season. who knows when you will be filing your taxes, because the irs does not know which tax rates will be applied and who will be responsible for paying what. so it's going to be a mess if this is not handled quickly. host: if we are sitting here a month from now after the inauguration and there's still no final agreement on taxes, could that the label 15 -- guest: no doubt about it. secretary dieter even said that a few days ago. --secretary tim geithner. it could delay the tax filings. the government relies on august revenue to come in and it usually comes flooding in during marc
but president obama said today said the cuts can be offset by raising taxes on the rich. >> we have raised revenue by the wealthy paying a little bit more, that would be sufficient to turn off what's called the sequester, the automatic spending cuts and also have a better outcome for our economy long term. >> senator graham thinks it's possible to find $600 billion in cuts elsewhere to spare the defense department for the next decade but a bipartisan agreement probably can't be reached until february or march. >> thank you. >>> joining us now more on this, the military cuts, jack keene, retired 4 star general. thank you for being with us tonight. >> glad to be here. >> how do you get the job done of protecting the country with fewer resources? >> well, it becomes difficult. we've already had a $480 billion cut that's taken place in the defense department. most experts who look closely at that cut believe there's too much risk in that. add $500 billion on top of that, borders on irresponsibility. and it cuts into our ability to provide national security and protect the treasures of the unit
to the white house this afternoon to meet there with president obama. lawmakers are increasingly looking at the period following the december 31st deadline we're told to come up with a fix to avoid massive tax hikes and spending cuts, affect lives of nearly every american many economists say could plunge the economy into another recession. chief white house correspondent ed henry live with the latest. so in this meeting, ed, is there any hope they will accomplish anything? >> reporter: well it is pretty low expectations, jon. what we're expecting when you talk to top officials of both parties the president will offer a scaled back plan, something he laid out lines friday before christmas here in the white house briefing room before he went to hawaii. where he said look, we have to scale back expectations. basically just extend middle class tax cuts. don't worry about the rates for everyone else. secondly extend unememployment insurance for about two million people who will be losing it a few days from now at the end of the year. finally he refer to possibility of smaller bit ever spendin
before the fiscal cliff hits on new year's day and with it, more than $600 million in tax hikes and spending cuts. in a last bid for a deal, president obama stated his terms face-to-face to top republicans and democrats. >> congressional leaders arrive ted white house this afternoon for their first group meeting with the president since november 16th. vice president biden and treasury secretary timothy geithner also attend. but there was little to suggest the makings of an 11th hour bargain. a source familiar with the meeting told the newshour its president is sticking with his offer from last friday. it included keeping the bush era tax break force the middle class but raising tax rates on incomes over 250,000 dollars a year. president also wants to extend unemployment benefits for some 2 million americans who will lose them in the new year. and a proposal would delay any spending cuts. the president asked for an up or down vote on his plan unless there is a counter proposal that will pass both the house and senate. a little more than an hour after the meeting began, several pa
obama is holding a summit at the white house with congressional leaders later on today. >> so far, republicans have rejected any new taxes even those proposed by house speaker john boehner on people earning over a million dollars. instead, the gop wants deeper spending cuts to address the nation's deficit. the republican and democratic leaders in the senate continue to blame the other side. >> i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they are he going to do because he backed off of his own proposal. >> republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> the senate is in session on capitol hill and house speaker banner has called lawmakers back into session sunday night at 6:30. but that only leaves just over 24 hours to come up with a deal. we want to know what you think about all of this. what do you think about congress not reaching a deal on the fiscal cliff? do you think it's possible that a compromise will be reached before t
. >>> and vacation over, president obama cuts his trip to hawaii short but is there enough time to find a fiscal cliff compromise with republicans or will your taxes go up? on that note, good morning. i'm drew griffin. >> the question everyone wants answered. good morning, everybody, glad you're with us. i'm alina cho. soledad is off this morning. it's wednesday, december 26th. "starting point" begins right now. 8:00 in the east, our starting point a christmas to forget for millions of americans in the south and midwest, battling blizzard conditions and tornadoes. >> oh, my god, we need to go. it's right there. >> mobile, alabama, took a real beating overnight, a twister blowing transformers, and there are reports of extensive damage to homes, a high school, and a church. 200,000 people across the south are without power this morning. >> it came in behind the church right there, and then all green floors reent lighting and it was like popping transformers left and right and heard the crash and everything and the power went out. >> i prayed to god as loud as i could and i was just praying for my
million and the tax rate goes to 55%. the capital gains tax rate, of course, is expected to increase from 20 to 30%. there's brand-new 3.9% medicare tax on high wage earners and a tax for wealthy donations. primarily between house republicans and the obama white house in the senate. but a survey done by northern trust of high net worth individuals' priorities found 44% saying their top priority for the country is economic growth and reducing unemployment versus 19% for reducing the federal budget deficit. another 15% said they wanted to see an end to gridlock. good luck. now, as far as their own wealth preservation strategies. that same survey found high net worth persons, those with $5 million or more in assets, obviously much more proactive in anticipating the tax consequences of going over the cliff than those with $1 million or less in assets. simon? >> okay, hampton, busy days. hampton pearson there in washington. straight ahead, a looming port strike that could cost the u.s. economy billions of dollars. the mayor of houston will join us live to tell us how this strike will affect he
taxes. at the end of the day, nobody's happy. but stability occurs. and the thing goes forward. i am continually surprised by president obama that he lets it become these dreadful enervating dramas. >> could i just say that when ronald reagan was president and everything peggy just said is absolutely true-- >> i'm so glad. ( laughter ). >> when ronald reagan was president, grover norquist was in diapers and rush limbaugh was a disk jockey, i think, in st. louis. you have had a hermetically sealed culture grow up on the right in this country that as we saw during the last election, is removed from reality and is extreme in the most egregious way. >> and you don't have to go all the way-- >> it's much further than that. when bill clinton passed that budget deal, he didn't get a single republican vote. and there hasn't been a republican vote for tax increases in 20 years, and if the deal falls apart today-- which i think it probably will-- the reason is there will be no republican votes. even in the senate, much less to the house for a tax increase, which is what they're talking about
thou,000 a year. the bush tax cut will expire at the end of this year. obama was elected with a surplus of about three million votes. he won the election. he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was response to something that the speaker gave them himself but i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they are going to do because he backed off even his own proposal. the house, we hear so often, is controlled by the republicans. and we acknowledge that. i would be most happy to move forward on something that senator mcconnell said they wouldn't filibuster over here that he would support and that boehner would support if it were reasonable. but right now we haven't heard anything. i don't know and it's none of my business, i guess, although i am very curious, if the speaker and the majority leader, the republican leader over here are even talking. i mean, what's going on here? mr. president, you can't le
, but there still isn't the substance of an agreement. >> the mechanics, i mean, what we have -- on the obama side, you have an election that pretty much, you know, they took as a mandate, if you will, where, you know, the very issue of taxes was sort of legislative, and the americans basically said they agreed with the president, saying that taxes need to rise on the wealthy. and then you have the right wing of the republican party who won also by wide margins in many deeply conservative districts. and they think they have a mandate. so in a way, it's like the two mandates are canceling each other out. they each think that they are -- and that is why we're frozen. i don't know if it's been that way -- i don't know if the mechanics have been such that it has been so polarized to the point where it's been paralyzing. >> where they feel like they've each won. >> it doesn't baffle me, it sort of angers me is that the conservative republicans who won by overwhelming margins in their districts, the president's vote in state after state in the electoral college, it used to be in politics that there was
. the tax burden overall would be about the same. and the deficit if with starts to wind down. the problem is president obama has also presided over a french- style growth rates of 2% per year. is not the worst of jamee have been been in the post world war era. -- this is not the worst jam. reagan had the economy growing at 6%. whereas mr. obama, to%. the downside has been the notion of accepting a much slower broken. longer-term, the pyramid of our society is getting more like a column, because we're having more and more older people -- people are living older and we can raise the retirement age. even with that we will have a larger elderly population to take care of. 2% growth becomes very difficult to maintain our commitments to the elderly. if you think it's a great idea if you are 40 right now and it actually happens, you will have a lot of tears. host: greg in north carolina, independence, for peter morici. caller: dr. morici, i guess my question is pretty simple. i just want to know, i noticed that republicans and democrats squabble about a lot of stuff, they are partisan about a lo
the talks with president obama and speaker boehner athat they were looking at the grand bargain that would include tax increases and changes to social security, changes to medicare, cuts in defense spending potentially as well. we're talking $3 to $4 trillion in changes over years. now it's going to be modest and that may include changes to the tax code. but they're going to have to come back in 2013 no matter what and talk about changes in med sare and social security and address the debt ceiling as well. host: these are two comments and they reflect the frustration in the country. how is the bickering back and forth solving anything fplgt all government spending should be on the table for spending reform. and the other viewer says obama and the other i had yots until the white house are doing what they do best, talk. guest: right after the election we heard them say the election is behind us, we can put down our swords and get down to doing the country's business. that evaporated within days and now we are back to where we were in the summer of 2011 where everyone is back in their corner
? ♪ ♪ na na na na na na na na ♪ and everybody go uh! >>> we told you last hour president obama is spending his last few hours in hawaii before returng early to washington. he's expected to arrive tomorrow, just five days ahead of the fiscal cliff, which includes an across the board tax hike that congress has tried but failed to undo. cnn's dana bash is with us from washington, our senior congressional correspondent. we spoke last hour. you told us that hour speaker john boehner was to convene this conference call to decide whether or not to call the house back into session. we know the senate is supposed to convene, but nothing can, of course, take place until the house is in session as well. do we know the results of that conference call? will boehner reconvene the house? >> reporter: i'm told by a source familiar with the call, which just happened within last hour, as you said, that no decision was made on the schedule or timing for the house. as we talked about an hour ago, the leaders in the house have promised the members that they won't be called back without 48 hours notice. so at t
, trying to come up with income tax thresholds, and if they don't come up with something, again, that wedge gets driven further and obama can sit in the cat bird's seat and blame, blame, blame republicans for their obstructionism. >> dave: quickly, you think a deal gets done, a threshold say around a half million dollars, unemployment gets extended and very little cuts, is that basically what you think happens here? >> i think that's right. i think that's the basic outline and then what the house republican take away, well, we'll deal with the tough issues later, always been there. >> dave: kick the can down the road. >> move on. >> juliet: let's go to the story that we've been covering here shall the hobby lobby story, this is a faith-based business and they decided they're going to risk paying potential fines up to 1.3 million dollars a day because they're refusing to provide the morning after pill to employees, it does not go with their beliefs. what do you make of that story? >> and by the way my christmas tree came from hobby lobby and i think it's incumbent upon every conservative who
had to say? caller: yes, i did, and being a democrat i go along with president obama's plant, but if it came -- plan, but to avoid the fiscal cliff, if nothing else works, we should avoid the fiscal cliff and he should be the big compromiser and not tax the rich in order to get the bill through. if he gets the bill through without pulling the fiscal cliff, our economy will improve the tax revenues from that will be more than he would get from the rich now. host: appreciate the call. let's go to oklahoma, a line for republicans. caller: i am so disgusted with both political parties. it seems they are putting their party before their country. and i want these politicians to know they are the ones that have been up there for years and spent all this money and now the average person will be the one who will have to pay, and i believe they are being bought off by the 2%. right is right, wrong is wrong, and to take away from the needy and cut food stamps from people who qualify -- it takes an act of congress to qualify. i cannot understand that these people are protecting the 2% o
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